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#1 mcarlston

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 05:29 AM

Hello
My wife has limited scleroderma (RP, intestinal motility and reflux). Her 1/2 aunt died of systemic scleroderma. Another 1/2 aunt and her grandfather on that side had limited forms of the disease. I am a medical doctor.

As a present, I have been considering building a sauna in our home to make the winter easier for her. However I get conflicting advice as to whether this is a good idea. In fact the opinions range from "excellent" to "absolutely not". The "excellent" came from a medical expert on scleroderma (combined rheumatology AND dermatology specialist) but she also tells me that she does not have clinical experience with patients using saunas. That is because we live in California.

Although our scientific training is a vital foundation, clinical experience is most important and that comes from patients.

If any of you have any experiences on this matter, I would be most grateful to learn what they are.
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Posted 07 November 2008 - 07:06 AM

Sorry to hear your wife has SSc but I'm sure someone on here will be able to help.

I have the limited form and the same problems has your wife along with a few other things. I have not used a sauna but know that when I used the hydrotherapy pool my circulation seemed so much better. I actually felt warm and comfortable since it was for my joint and muscle issues and the secondary effect was to help with my circulation but as soon as I'd come out my Raynaud's kicked in again. So it wasn't a lasting effect just made me feel a bit better while in there.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 07:18 AM

I've never been able to stand a sauna for more than a couple of seconds without feeling faint, but I am no expert. I just wanted to say hello and welcome you to the ISN Sclero Forums. I look forward to hearing more from you and your wife.
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Posted 07 November 2008 - 07:36 AM

I get severe attacks of Raynaud’s and increased pain, fatigue, and dizziness caused by temperature extremes, such as saunas, hot tubs, whirlpools, and even hot showers. I don’t think that is unusual given the common heart, lung and circulation problems with scleroderma (which can even include reduced ability to sweat, hypohydrosis, which I also have, and which is caused by scleroderma).

One thing to consider would be if she were to develop pulmonary hypertension, which is most common in limited scleroderma patients. Here is an article from Mayo Clinic on that: http://www.mayoclini...d-home-remedies “Avoid situations that can excessively lower blood pressure. These include sitting in a hot tub or sauna or taking long hot baths or showers. These activities lower your blood pressure and cause fainting or even death.”

Please keep in mind that I have no medical training at all, and correct me whenever I'm wrong. I would venture to say that perhaps some of us might find a sauna more tolerable in the early stages of scleroderma, rather than in the later stages, and benefits might vary widely depending on any person's constellation of symptoms, which is certainly different for all of us.
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Posted 07 November 2008 - 08:11 PM

Hello mcarlston,

Welcome and so sorry to hear your wife has scleroderma.

Saunas and stepping out of the sauna, or extremes in temperatures make me feel ill also. I too will get faint and my Raynaud's will become very reactive and painful. I also get hives with severe itching and an ill feeling with moist heat or the hot sun since I was a child and do not believe it is related to sclero but since I have been taking plaquenil the hives and itch have subsided.

We are all different but Raynaud's seems to be the culprit in preventing most of us from enjoying the mix of hot and cold as I believe the sauna was meant in some way to assist in circulatory health. I live on the east coast and it can get very cold here but even with a heated room to step into after a sauna it is quite cold and produces that unwanted painful temperature change.

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Posted 08 November 2008 - 02:34 AM

Hey there!

I'd consider myself sauna expert, since I live in Finland. We have two saunas in our house actually, and I've used saunas through my whole young life.

If your wife has Raynaud's sauna might be a lil problem. In cold the blood vessels get really narrow, but the opposite happens when it's very hot. In sauna my fingers and toes turn amazingly red, I can see my veins dilate and it feels like someone is sticking needles to them. Whether sauna helps or makes sclero worse, I don't know.

Because of Raynaud's I do not like going to sauna too often. However, in there your dead skin starts to peel off more than in normal temperatures, and that is usually good for the skin. Here in Finland sauna is usually heated all the way to 80 or 100 degrees, but maybe a little lower temperatures might be good for your wife. :)

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Posted 08 November 2008 - 08:01 AM

Thank you all VERY much for sharing your experiences!

I believe that there is great wisdom in your comments, especially regarding the individual nature of the response to the sauna process. Although I am in regular contact with many of my Swedish cousins and hoped they might be able to give me some insight, none of them have any experience with scleroderma. Those of you in cooler climates have much greater experience and so I very much appreciate that. Knowing their passion for sauna, when a Finn (such as Emmi) expresses concern about the effects of sauna, it is clear that the only way to learn the effects on my wife is to have my wife test it out. Although that means I lose the fun of the surprise, I think she will benefit much more now from my linking her to this online community forum.

Thanks again
Michael Carlston

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 06:09 PM

mcarlston,

Please have your wife come and visit and possibly join our group. I'm sure she would love the support the group provides.

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 11:08 AM

Hello Michael,

I'm in Michigan, and it gets cold often here. I don't know if a sauna "helps" my sclero, but boy I sure look forward to getting into one every time I can. I have diffuse systemic sclero with ILD and of course, Raynaud's. I also have an overlap of rheumatoid arthritis (RA). I've never felt faint or ill after or during a sauna dip. So I guess you're right in assessing that your wife should be the one to tell you if it would do her any good or not.

Good Luck!

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 06:52 PM

Hello Michael,

What a lovely idea to surprise your wife with a sauna! I am so sorry to hear of her diagnosis. You are so thoughful to inquire if it would be a good idea. Personally speaking, I do not have a sauna but I can say which water temperatures are comfortable for me. I have tried warm water aerobics and the warm water temperature has very relaxing benefits. If I'm exposed to hot water temperatures, this usually leaves my skin dry which then leads to even more itchy skin. I'm diligent about avoiding hot showers and I do keep a good lotion handy especially in the winter months.

However, if you can adjust the temperature in the sauna to a comfortable level, I would think your wife would be able to enjoy the relaxing and soothing benefits. You also mentioned building the sauna in your home which is much better for her versus building one outdoors where she would be exposed to the cooler elements. (I'm not sure how cold it gets in California.)

Our ISN family is a very supportive group where one can visit, browse or join in at any time. Please do mention our website to your wife and I look forward to hearing how your sauna project transpires.

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 12:50 PM

Hi Michael,

I'm wondering if it might be prudent for your wife to "try" a sauna. I don't know if it's feasible, at a health club or elsewhere... If she were to benefit...go for it! Yet, if YOU would like one anyway... then what a GREAT way to relax after a hard day!

My sister-in-law and brother bought one recently...she has Sarcoidosis and it seems to help HER.

It's really hard to know unless a person tries something...how well, or not... something will work.

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